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Title: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: AirNav Development on January 29, 2017, 12:22:53 am
Santa Cruz de La Sierra, Bolivia
https://www.radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300516
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Post by: AirNav Development on January 29, 2017, 12:24:40 am
Usinsk Russia
https://www.radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300854#
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Post by: AirNav Development on January 29, 2017, 12:29:19 am
Safi Morocco
https://www.radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300326
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Post by: Runway 31 on January 30, 2017, 07:08:57 pm
Pape'ete French Polynesia
https://www.radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300668
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 01, 2017, 11:57:57 am
Yogyakarta Indonesia
https://www.radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300742
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 02, 2017, 04:50:00 pm
Singapore
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300884
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 02, 2017, 04:58:53 pm
Kazan Russia
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300851
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 02, 2017, 05:04:41 pm
Latala India
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300855
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 02, 2017, 05:12:38 pm
Mexico City
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300720
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 02, 2017, 06:37:09 pm
Manila Philippines
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300817
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 03, 2017, 03:50:27 pm
Kuching Malaysia
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300689
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 03, 2017, 03:57:08 pm
Luoyang China
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300690
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 03, 2017, 03:57:58 pm
Ho Chi Minh City Vietnam
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300698
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 03, 2017, 04:06:56 pm
Nakhon Si Thammarat Thailand
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300733
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on February 03, 2017, 04:11:34 pm
Cartagena Colombia
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300810
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 06, 2017, 06:41:20 pm
Cotonou Benin
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300677
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 06, 2017, 06:54:32 pm
Hanoi Vietnam
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300224
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 06, 2017, 07:00:48 pm
Dili Indonesia
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300006
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 07, 2017, 11:29:28 am
Toyama Japan
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300879
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 07, 2017, 11:33:22 am
Baghdad Iraq
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300350
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 08, 2017, 11:31:12 am
Reykjavik Iceland
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300895
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 10, 2017, 05:19:25 pm
Panama City Panama
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300883
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Post by: Runway 31 on February 16, 2017, 02:35:16 pm
Bissau Guinea-Bissau
https://radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300886#
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on April 30, 2017, 04:47:25 pm
Rethymno, Crete, Greece
https://www.radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300799
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on April 30, 2017, 05:37:34 pm
Welcome Rethymnian

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on April 30, 2017, 06:08:10 pm
Yassu Alan,

I am looking forward being a member of the global AirNav.Systems Team. My external antenna is not yet fixed optimal, as right now the view is blocked towards the South and South East. However I hope to sort this out in the next 2 weeks.

By the way can you tell me how much data the AirNav RadarBox ComStation is sending out via the internet connection approx. per day or per month? Why do I ask? If I move the antenna to the best possible position, I will need to hook up the box with an internet dongle and with the dongle I do not have unlimited internet / GB's. I am looking forward to your reply. Kind regards from the sunny island of Crete, Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on April 30, 2017, 06:33:34 pm
I will need Airnav to find out.  BTW your coverage is very good at this time

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on April 30, 2017, 06:42:27 pm
Well there is always room for improvement, especially towards the interesting South, South East area, haha.

Final question. I have also seen that some AirNav RadarBox ComStation's have "STATION RADIO" for their nearby airports (for example PGANRB300287). I am smack in the middle of Chania (LGSA / CHQ) airport AND Heraklion (LGIR / HER) airport. How do I get these station radios linked to "my" station? Or at least one of them?

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: neroon79 on April 30, 2017, 07:06:52 pm
Depending on range and number of received airframes you can expect something between a few 10MB and up to 100MB to 200MB.

On busy days I've about 100MB upstream traffic.  Stations is PGANRB300066. You can compare my range and traffic with yours to get an idea where your upload traffic might be.

Ingo
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on April 30, 2017, 08:33:52 pm
The ATC is set up by Airnav.  No user input at this time but a firmware upgrade is being prepared to  allow ATC to be set up by users.

As you state south/south east could be better.

All data is upload no download

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 01, 2017, 07:51:56 am
Alan, Ingo, thanks for your feedback! Kind regards, Markos from sunny Crete
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 04, 2017, 02:06:04 pm
Hi Alan and Ingo, included in the box of the AirNav RadarBox ComStation, were 4 metal rods, probably to be used as a radial on the antenna, 3 on the side and one right on the top. I do not use them at present. Question: Does AirNav wants me to stick all of them on the antenna anyway, or should one only use them in case of a bad reception?

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: neroon79 on May 04, 2017, 03:52:34 pm
Markos don't do it, it will kill your ADS-B/mode s reception if you apply them.

The three on the side will generate a virtual ground plane above the 1090MHz antenna part, which is used for ADS-B/mode s reception.

I haven't connected these parts too. They are only neccessary for improved VHF Radio reception.

Ingo
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 04, 2017, 04:37:33 pm
Hallo Ingo, Danke fuer deine schnelle Ruckmeldung. Ich hatte sie montiert aber keinen wesentlichen verbesserten Empfang festgestellt. Darum habe Ich sie nach deiner Nachricht schnell wieder entfernt. Warum waren sie im Paket? Ich konnte keine Hinweise finden, warum die ueberhaupt drinne seien sollten. Na ja, nun weiss Ich es. Thanks!

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: neroon79 on May 04, 2017, 04:49:50 pm
Hallo Markos,
Ausnahmsweise mal auf deutsch sonst sollten wir aber der Höflichkeit halber beim Forum üblichen englisch bleiben.

Airnav arbeitet hier leider voll nach dem Leitfaden das Anleitungen vollkommen überbewertet sind.
Einige nutzer der ersten Comstations hatten massive Probleme mit dem ADS-B Empfang nachdem sie die "Stäbe" montiert hatten.
Od das Problem bei Deiner Antenne nicht mehr auftritt ist mir nicht bekannt.
Da sie aber für den ADS-B Empfang nicht benötigt werden kann man sie auch weglassen.

Ingo
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 04, 2017, 05:36:16 pm
Hi Ingo, as I speak several languages I thought it might be easier, haha. English it is, tally-ho! Anyway I got rid of the rods, as a decrease in reception is definitively not what I am looking for. I was just annoyed that I could not yet get my reception in the direction south-south east up, grgrgr. I guess I will need to find a more optimal location for the antenna.

Thanks for your help and keep up the good work!

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 08, 2017, 11:53:51 am
https://www.radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300799# UPDATE!

Ingo, after tweaking my aerial I have improved my reach overall and am now even biting out a big chunk of western Turkey ;-) Some gains towards the East, but unfortunately besides a spike going South no noteworthy gains in that area. As my station is located on the North Coast of Crete, I come to the conclusion that the 3 big mountain ranges on Crete, the Lefka Ori in the West, the Ida in the middle and the Dikti in the East, are seriously hampering my reception. As I am not able to move any mountains, I guess I must be happy with the 98% coverage of the whole of Greece :-)

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on May 08, 2017, 12:15:57 pm
Looking great Markos.  Yes the southern coverage will be being cut off by the mountains.  I was just looking at your feed and noted an unknown and found it to be AT43 SX-NIK so now added into d/b.

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 08, 2017, 02:22:22 pm
Hi Alan, be prepared for many new unknown flying objects, as I come across them quite frequently, after I had adjusted the aerial, haha. Although I am not looking 24/7 at my screen as I need to work too, what do you want me to do when I see these unknown planes? Where do I need to report them?

By the way I also see quite a lot of Italian and French military planes coming by. Where are the Yanks, Brits and Greeks, who are always buzzing above my head, as here at LGSA / CHQ we have the largest NATO military base in the whole Mediterranean? Or do they have their transponders switched off, do not have one or are they concealed?

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on May 08, 2017, 02:31:26 pm
Hi Markos,

If you want to report unknowns please feel free to do so on the Database updates thread http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=8314.10395.  Hex code will do but if its available its callsign/flight ID will help.   Most military aircraft are not ADS-B equipped so will not show on the map.  They should however show on the Flight List unless they have their transponder switched off.

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 08, 2017, 02:34:01 pm
Roger that!
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 09, 2017, 06:10:59 pm
Alan, a thought from my side. You agree with me that the mountain ranges to my South are blocking my reception in that specific direction. How about my super reception towards the North? I am breaching my 5 ring radius easily. Are the mountains now working in my favour and giving me a turbo boost in that direction? Or is it the large body of water directly in front of me, that is helping the signal along? Or is it perhaps a combination of both?

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on May 09, 2017, 07:24:34 pm
Marcos,

My own feeling is that it will be the large body of water which is ensuring the great coverage to the north

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 10, 2017, 03:56:16 pm
Alan, the "crazy" foot print that I have presently got, drives me nuts, as mine just looks weird, especially with the spike going south! Some stations have an almost perfect reception inside their 250 NM radius. I am nowhere near to that perfect circle. I already mentioned the mountain ranges over here earlier, but actually I am in a gap between 2 ranges, thus I reckon I should have at least a better coverage, compared to the one I am getting now. Who or what determines how the foot print looks like? Is it just AirNav or is it based on an average of the contacts which I am able to establish? This brings up another point. How comes that the foot print does not vary on a daily basis, as planes are never in the same spot? Or is the whole foot print thingy just  cosmetic?

Markos 
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on May 10, 2017, 04:47:44 pm
Markos,

It is determined by the aircraft you pick up and it does not vary as it is built up over time, 7 days I believe from looking at the range grid.  When you got your unit initially your coverage pattern was small but it is filled in as each hours/day passes and aircraft are picked up. 

ADS-B coverage works by line of site from your antenna and there are lots of factors such as the topography of your area, the height of the traffic being picked up, surrounding high buildings, nearby trees etc which can alter the coverage pattern

You will notice RESET beside your max range and I believe pressing it will remove your coverage footprint and allow it to build up again.

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 11, 2017, 09:15:27 am
Alan, thank you for your extensive explanation. Next to: "Max Range: 409.21 NM (last 7 days)" I did not find a reset function. If I click on (last 7 days) just a pop up window opens up, where one can see when I was online and was uploading data. If I click on the window it just disappears, nothing else. Anyway, I will keep an eye out how the foot print develops.

Something what comes into my mind now is the fact that I have a quite large satellite dish "behind" my external dedicated 1090 MHz antenna. This might influence (block?) my reception towards the south and south east. Maybe the dish is even working as some kind of deflector shield, hence the extremely good reception towards the north. I will have a 2m antenna fitted to my house shortly for my business communications, thus I might want to stick the new antenna on the "old" 1090 Mhz pole and will look for a better location (away from the sat dish) for optimal 360 degrees reception. Perhaps my present disappointing reception towards the south, will show me exactly where my more important 2m antenna should be placed, haha

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: EK01 on May 11, 2017, 12:08:48 pm
Markos,

If you go into File>Preferences>Legends and Labels at the top of the page you will see a box stating 'Clear/Reset Polar Diagram'. If you click on that it will clear the polar diagram and start to reform over again but give it some time to fully reform.

Ian (EK01)
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 11, 2017, 02:42:07 pm
Hello Ian, my best guess is that you are talking about a specific software program. I do not have one. I am just looking through my web browser on https://www.radarbox24.com/stations/PGANRB300799 . In the top right hand corner I only have "my account", where I can log in or out and edit some personal details. Furthermore on the top I only have pull down menu's with: store - coverage - history - data feeds -  about. In the personal settings I have got: profile - your stations - account settings. So no box stating 'Clear/Reset Polar Diagram'.

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: EK01 on May 11, 2017, 03:18:13 pm
Markos,

You are quite correct. I merely use the standard AN radar box. I too cannot find anything stating reset for your polar diagram. I can only suggest that as Alan states you wait a few days to see how your polar diagram builds up or perhaps someone who is a bit more savvy in radarbox24 can be of help.

Sorry,

Ian
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 11, 2017, 03:45:42 pm
Ian, don't mention it mate. I am just new at this and am trying to find out the ropes by implementing as much tips I can get from "senior" members. I am only very surprised about the coverage at my location. I already climbed up in a relatively short time to global ranking nr. 23, for whatever it is worth. However I have no clue how I should interpret this, nor how the calculation is done. Maybe they give incentives to newbies, haha

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on May 11, 2017, 04:31:15 pm
Hi Markos,

Just had a look at your screen shot and note that I just mentions last 7 days without reset.  I can reset from my end and have just done so but as you have so many aircraft the polar diagram fill very quickly. 

Regarding the satellite dish it may very well be operating as a screen if it is preventing the antenna seeing part of the sky and preventing any aircraft it is casting a shows over from being seen

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 11, 2017, 04:48:19 pm
Yassu Alan,

wow resetting from a remote location, you must have special powers!. Yes, I've seen that you did something. I have also seen a drop from rank 23 to 145 after your resetting. Will be interesting to see how the foot print develops this time. I love this stuff!

The AirNav antenna is a meagre 15 cm above the sat dish, if you look at the set up from the south-side.  Isn't that enough clearance? Do the planes need to see more of the antenna? Otherwise the only solution is to get a longer pole and more cable, hehe

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on May 11, 2017, 10:03:31 pm
I am no engineer Markos, but I don't think that 15cm of the antenna showing would be enough or do you mean the whole antenna is 15cm above the sat dish.

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 12, 2017, 09:18:22 am
Alan, you understood correct. Viewing south my antenna is just peeping 15 cm above the sat dish, which is located 1 m further back. But I can still get a +/- 75 NM reception, hehe. I already figured out that a higher pole and more cable is the way to go, but I can not find the supplied cable pro-200 low loss 50 ohm coaxial cable 3dr-3 in Greece. Or could someone recommend another cable, which I then might find in Greece? Any feed back from anyone is highly appreciated!

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on May 12, 2017, 01:44:21 pm
Markos,

CO-22, LMR400 or AIRCOM PLUS are suitable cables.

Also ask support if they could send you a 12.5m antenna cable as one may be available

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 12, 2017, 02:20:52 pm
Alan, I just returned from shopping for a 3 m pole. I have send AirNav a request for the 12,50 m cable.
It would be nice if they could help me out, which would means more data for the system ;-)

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on May 12, 2017, 02:32:37 pm
Noted Markos

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 12, 2017, 10:49:18 pm
Kalimera Alan, Please remotely reset my stats again. I have put the 3 m pole up and the AirNav antenna has totally cleared the SAT dish by 1 m. Why do I want a reset? Instead of getting better coverage to the south or in general, my reception totally went to the dogs max range wise and I need the reset to confirm it. I am also getting a lot less contacts to the north-east. Perhaps it is a cable issue, but I doubt is as I used the supplied one. Thank you in advance!

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on May 13, 2017, 08:09:56 am
Morning Markos,

Just reset it and your range looks ok so far, doesn't seem to be any problems

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 13, 2017, 09:13:32 am
Hello Alan, I have seen the reset, thank you. Why did I mention something is not correct? Since I heightened the antenna, I have been getting irrational flying patterns of several air planes, criss crossing all over the place. Furthermore I had excellent coverage of LGSA / CHQ, where I could see the planes taxing to their final stop, every turn on the ground etc. Now I can not and planes even"overshoot" the runway and it takes several seconds longer before I get the correct height and speed. This did not show with the "blocked", low antenna. It is easy for me to write this stuff, as after a couple of weeks looking at AirNav I know exactly what to expect and look for. Anyways, it's Saturday, so I can monitor the progress closely. It will be an interesting day. Kind regards,

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on May 13, 2017, 10:51:38 am
There may be something interfering with the signal causing momentary corruption with the antenna now in its new location Markos

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 13, 2017, 01:28:05 pm
Alan, I hear you. I just tweaked the antenna again and changed the cable routing (I wished I had a longer cable wink, wink). Perhaps things will be back to normal again. One last question about the signal. Is it possible for a station to "hijack" a contact, or does a plane connect to any station it can reach? I mean does a plane connect to multiple stations or does it ONLY connect to the best station around? Is there a maximum of stations to which a plane can connect?

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on May 13, 2017, 02:15:16 pm
Any number of receivers can pick up an aircraft simultaneously Markos.

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 14, 2017, 12:03:04 pm
Alan, thanks for the feed back again. The AirNAv antenna is sitting now for the 3rd day on the 3 m pole. How are the results? Honestly disappointing. Although I am way above the sat dish, my max range has decreased by approx 70 NM and my average range by approx 40 NM. Also I already mentioned the irrational flying patterns and loss of detail on the LGSA / CHQ airport.  This is not what I expected. Perhaps the sat dish is interfering from below. I will re-attach the antenna again on my 1,4 m pole and nestle it just above the sat dish, just as it was originally placed. It would be great if my reach and detail goes up again.

Please be so kind and reset my data, as I will be putting up the smaller pole within the next two hours. Thank you in advance.

Markos
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Runway 31 on May 14, 2017, 12:47:41 pm
Its reset Markos.  The sat dish may be causing corruptions as you state buy you are still getting decent range although your southern coverage didn't expand as expected

Alan
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Fanjet500 on May 14, 2017, 07:59:34 pm
Hi all,

just last week i did put my antennas 2 meters higher on a new pole. One goal was to come above a sat dish of a neighbours roof. The other goal was to get a better range. Now,  with the new pole, the range went about 25 km biger but the range of the directional antenna that was pointing to the sat dish went also about 25 km biger and lost range in the opposite dircetion. Interfering objects can increase the range to one direction. That was my experiance.

Greetings Rolf
Title: Re: RadarBox24.com New Locations
Post by: Rethymnian on May 14, 2017, 10:18:30 pm
Hi Rolf, that is what I am seeing. Now that I am back to my "old" setup, my sat dish, which is located behind the antenna, seems to propel the reach in a V shape towards the north. I have a feeling that I did not yet have found my sweet spot, as at present the pattern does not reach as far, compared to it's best. I will be working on it, haha

Markos