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Title: Developments
Post by: lambertw on July 09, 2012, 08:29:23 AM
It's seems a long time ago now since we using ANRB had any progress going forward .There is a great deal to choose from out in the world today and the development  of the products and their ability to process data is on going almost at a weekly pace.
ANRB is a quality product but we seem to be being left behind,just my opinion and i'm sure ANRB development personal are on with it as I speak.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: AirNav Support on July 09, 2012, 08:47:59 AM
There are some great developments to come and we have been busy here creating them.

We thank you for your patience so far, not too long to hold on now :) We promise the wait is worth it.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: b777200er on July 10, 2012, 11:17:08 PM
Action says more than words
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Canonjohns40D on July 10, 2012, 11:27:03 PM
Can't wait. However right now I'd be happy if my map would come back!!
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Team Spirit on July 11, 2012, 08:45:34 PM
Patience is a virtue. Looking forward to the news guys :)
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: CoastGuardJon on July 12, 2012, 08:42:18 PM
Dave, some of us are getting rather long in the tooth, and can't hold our breath that long any more!
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: lambertw on July 13, 2012, 08:49:15 AM
I getting so tempted with what is available out there, don't know how long I can hold on.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: b777200er on July 18, 2012, 01:13:54 PM
Support------Do you have an update/date for us on the great developments you are working on
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: oliver14 on July 18, 2012, 02:20:00 PM

It's always such a vague timescale, "not too long" that could mean anything, surely there must be a good idea now, August ?  September ?  2012 ? 2013 ? 
   
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Team Spirit on July 18, 2012, 06:14:58 PM
Me too CGJ it's 57 for me this year  .. gulp :)
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Runway 31 on July 18, 2012, 06:52:18 PM
Bet you get all excited at Christmas time as well !!! :-))

Alan
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: bratters on July 18, 2012, 07:37:15 PM
Bet you get all excited at Christmas time as well !!! :-))

Alan

The problem with Airnav is that Christmas never comes. I spend more time on Flightradar24 these days - at least the routes are acccurate.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Runway 31 on July 18, 2012, 07:47:09 PM
If thats what rocks your boat, as the source will probably be the same I dont think there will be much difference routes wise in the next version
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: CoastGuardJon on July 18, 2012, 08:13:57 PM
Me too CGJ it's 57 for me this year  .. gulp :)

Mine next Feb. 20th is 64 - I feel the need for a Beatles' song coming on, but unfortunately it won't be "Here comes the sun" this year at least!!!    No wonder people go to Spain and other places where at least some sun is more or less guaranteed for holidays.   I just feel SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder)!
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Runway 31 on July 18, 2012, 08:23:21 PM
Keep on rocking Jon whatever your song, your age is only a number, its how you feel inside that does it.  Agree with what you said about Spain and the sun, best move we ever made going over here for 6 months

Alan
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: CoastGuardJon on July 18, 2012, 09:33:03 PM
Keep on rocking Jon whatever your song, your age is only a number, its how you feel inside that does it.

Hi Alan, as someone once said to me "You're only as old as the woman you feel"!   My good lady is almost 19 years younger than me.  When we started getting together, I was 36, and she was 15 - I'm the only boyfriend she's ever had.   At the time no-one thought it would last - the dirty old man heading towards middle age, taking advantage of the young girl, but we're still going strong with a 25yrs old daughter, who's not interested in radios, technology (other than her I-pad), model railways, photography etc., although she would like to know more about DIY car maintenance.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: 54901 - Jim on July 19, 2012, 03:14:28 AM
Your quote is something I've never heard here in the states ... but it works for me!
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Runway 31 on July 19, 2012, 07:22:34 AM
Good on you Jon, got to agree.

Alan
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: oliver14 on July 19, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
Returning back to the original post, do we have any approximate date Airnav ?
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Chris11 on July 20, 2012, 03:11:52 PM
I have also given up waiting. Every bit of software I own has had some update in the last year, except ANRB. Not even minor bug fixes appear.
The apps on my phone are updated almost weekly.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: knight01 on July 20, 2012, 07:06:24 PM
"Almost there" about bug fixes/new version has been going on for few years.  You may want to look at this thread started Oct. 2011 and last updated Dec. 2011.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6532.0

This was 6-8 months ago and no change or update since.  I've also given up waiting.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: bratters on July 20, 2012, 07:26:46 PM
If there's something "new" coming, it seems unlikely there will be any updates.
Maybe the question is would you buy a new model RB ?
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: bearcat on July 21, 2012, 08:06:27 AM
Sorry to say no. I like the interface and GUI but it's the lack of interest in fixing bugs. Who's to say that a new box will ever bugs fixed
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Marpleman on July 21, 2012, 07:39:40 PM

I've not posted for a good few months on the forum,

Are we still waiting for ShipTrax......................................................  ;-)

Love my box to death, and the craick on this forum, but quite frankly the silence from AirNav, is as usual deafening.

It's becoming a bit like an anniversary question thesedays!

Alan - what you up to in Spain mate? Have you had to get away to see some decent football? David Silva's only down the road from here still you know!

I did think some things would never happen before any new RadarBox developments, but blimey, even my beloved team have won the Prem...........

Rich
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Runway 31 on July 22, 2012, 06:49:23 AM
Hey Rich, I'm still hopeful, glass half full type me.

long time no hear, too busy sobering up and traipsing around Europe with the Premier League Campions I suppose.

Came to Spain to get away from the awful British weather even if its only for 6 months of the year. 

The mighty Motherwell are playing in the Champions League along side the best in Europe, at least for 2 games anyway!!!  Playing Olympiakos so expecting a hammering and I cant even manage to get back for the home leg at the end of the month.

Cheers

Alan
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: ACW367 on July 22, 2012, 10:42:35 AM

I've not posted for a good few months on the forum,

Are we still waiting for ShipTrax......................................................  ;-)

Love my box to death, and the craick on this forum, but quite frankly the silence from AirNav, is as usual deafening.

It's becoming a bit like an anniversary question thesedays!

I have the anniversary date of 28 September marked in my diary.  That will be the four year point since I bought my box in 2008.  Still love it, but haven't had any bug-free software release in the 3 years and 10 months since that day.

If only they would release a patch for the Equator black hole, the alert function and the ICAO corruption (at the minimum) which have all been present and reported since 2008.  That would go some way to restore user confidence that they may indeed some day become a company with reliable tech support for existing products. 

The ICAO corruption must be the easiest patch to create, the data is fully correct in the updaters DB, Airnav just need to identify why the software ignores that correct info as it passes through the Airnav servers to users. 

It remains a mystery to me how a software company isn't going flat out to patch known and reported bugs in thier primary product lines.  Instead they have spent around four years doing nothing on them.  For 99% of software companies this is always number one priority.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Marpleman on July 22, 2012, 11:01:17 AM
Couldn't agree more ACW.

Lost track of the number of times this type of thread has been posted, and then dwindled away with maybe one or two meagre responses from AirNav.

Put it this way, if my box died for whatever reason (God forbid!), I'd be looking at competitor products in line with developments in their portfolio, and the progress they'd made in the past four years before I purchased anything new.

I could forgive the lack of immediate progress if we had a better line of feedback on bug-fixes and/or new developments.

No doubt the recent activity on this thread will produce another post telling us to be patient and that we will be amazed at what is in store in the near future.....................................

I suppose, being pragmatic, my box does what I want it to, but being realistic, it could do a whole lot more?

Alan - I'll look out for you in the CPL next season, best of luck! To be honest , I've only just about recovered from the last game last season in the EPL!! Don't think I'll ever experience anything like that again - the bruising on my lower legs from  being hurled over the seats in front has just about gone!! Enjoy the weather etc over there, you're certainly not missing much over here!

Rich

Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Runway 31 on July 22, 2012, 11:10:16 AM
I was under the impression that a patch for the Equator black hole bug has been developed and Birdie in Singapore had been testing it.  I remember Dev putting out a reply recently requesting anyone in the affected equatorial areas to contact Support for the patch.

I see users wanting their software/boxes to do more for them.  Apart from fixing bugs what else do you want from your software/box that it doesnt already do and what would you like your box to do that other boxes can do.

I am sure that even although we dont hear from them very often,  they actually look at the forum replies

Alan
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: ACW367 on July 22, 2012, 11:18:15 AM
I was under the impression that a patch for the Equator black hole bug has been developed and Birdie in Singapore had been testing it.  I remember Dev putting out a reply recently requesting anyone in the affected equatorial areas to contact Support for the patch.

I see users wanting their software/boxes to do more for them.  Apart from fixing bugs what else do you want from your software/box that it doesnt already do and what would you like your box to do that other boxes can do.

I am sure that even although we dont hear from them very often,  they actually look at the forum replies

Alan

I'm not interested in new gizmos, only a stable version 4.

With the equator bug it took 3 1/2 years to do anything, it has been in testing for circa 1 month and still Singapore does not appear on the network.  Therefore in my opinion that patch is not there yet. 
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Runway 31 on July 22, 2012, 11:36:47 AM
Going a bit over the top with that response ACW, I cant agree that bug fixes being required makes the current version unstable

I would suggest the reason Singapore is not on the map is because Birdie requires an antenna, nothing to do with the patch

Regarding your coment on Gizmos this suggestion was in response to comments from users for additional functionality that they consider other units provide, even if you dont feel the need for these, comments from others may suggest otherwise

Alan
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: bearcat on July 22, 2012, 11:37:58 AM
I suspect the equatorial black hole bug is being fixed so Airnav can cover these areas for their professional customers along with the 50 free boxes given away. Otherwise why has it taken so long to fix, not that I use the network and hasn't affected me?

I am beginning to think that the enthusiasts requirements are secondary to their core business

I guess everyone would like something different and it would be difficult to choose between everything suggested. Personally I would like an Interested flag.

Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: ACW367 on July 22, 2012, 08:33:26 PM

I guess everyone would like something different and it would be difficult to choose between everything suggested. Personally I would like an Interested flag.

Bearcat
This is not about enhancements to the software, IE new features, Airnav have maintained that they would look at the enhancements like an interested flag as part of  the 'next great thing'. 

However, the 'next great thing' always seems to take 2-3 years to develop and V4.03 has now been out for two and a half years full of bugs. 

In the interest of good customer service to its current user base and to continue sales of its current product lines, any sensible company would issue patches to their current product lines to make V4.03 stable and bug free.   
Even if it meant it had to temporarily put on hold development of the 'next great thing' and any desirable or otherwise enhancements that may or may not contain.  I bought Radarbox and am very happy with the features of V4.03 as they were advertised to me.  However, I just want V4.03 to operate as advertised and it currently does not.   

If I choose not to update for whatever reason with whatever enhancement comes with the 'next great thing' (because new features do not suit my needs or have different costs perhaps), I as a valued existing customer will then be left to live with the bugs in V4.03 forever more.  A patch now to solve those bugs would keep us all happy campers in the interim and then we can all decide in future whether 'the next great thing' suits our needs and make logical decisions on whether to download/purchase it.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: ACW367 on July 22, 2012, 08:36:04 PM
And don't forget, any professional customers signing up right now, like the rest of us will not be happy if ICAOs and in certain cases their professional company names (if they contain diacritical marks) display corrupted
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: bearcat on July 23, 2012, 06:40:27 AM
ACW367

I know this thread is all about fixes. My personal choice was in response to a question posed by Runway 31 previously

 "Apart from fixing bugs what else do you want from your software/box that it doesnt already do and what would you like your box to do that other boxes can do."

Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: bratters on July 23, 2012, 07:53:16 AM
ACW367

I know this thread is all about fixes. My personal choice was in response to a question posed by Runway 31 previously

 "Apart from fixing bugs what else do you want from your software/box that it doesnt already do and what would you like your box to do that other boxes can do."



Future developments/wishlist have nothing to do with this. There are separate threads for that.

On here the majority opinion is saying that we just want the product to do what it claimed to do when we bought it. That means that those long-established software bugs should have been be corrected by now.

Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: tarbat on July 23, 2012, 08:45:11 AM
That means that those long-established software bugs should have been be corrected by now.

Agreed.  Airnav really owe us an explanation.  I went to a lot of time and effort last year to compile a list of bugs, prioritise them, take feedback, etc. as requested by Airnav.  See http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=6532.msg73955#msg73955

I do think they now owe us an explanation as to:
1. Which of the bugs will be fixed in v4.04, and when can we expect delivery of v4.04 into beta-testing.
2. Which bugs will have to wait until Radarbox 5 to be fixed.

At the moment it seems like I wasted all my time and effort compiling the list of bugs for Airnav.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: tommyg on July 23, 2012, 08:53:54 AM
The question is would I spend £400 again on a system that is not being updated regularly when I can spend a lot less on telephone/tablet Apps that do the same as RB and are updated. The answer is NO. Although I love my RB having had one since V2.0 and having many updates, the last two years have been very disappointing in relation to getting any bugs fixed and lack of customer service.

Tommy
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: EK01 on July 23, 2012, 02:23:22 PM
And from AN there is :


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Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: AirNav Support on July 23, 2012, 03:36:12 PM
We have been reading each post and while our hands are tied regarding announcing timelines we do apologise to those customers who have been disappointed with our efforts.

We have had a master plan which has been affected by various items over the last few years such as ShipTrax delays and others which have caused this situation and we can only profusely apologise.

While its easy to be an armchair businessman the reality is sometimes decisions which are made don’t always work out correctly and delays occur. We had planned to have a new major version of RadarBox released earlier this year however due to delays which are not in our control this hasn’t been possible. In fact the update given to the Singapore customer contained much of the updated code which rectified majority of issues on the bug pages.

We will be looking at whether an updated version can be released soon as beta or whether it will be worth making sure all the issues noted have been rectified before releasing a major version update.

We are however 100% involved in providing a product which is unmatched in terms of features and reputation. Lets however put a few items into perspective, RadarBox is still unrivalled in many features which work straight out the box. We do still have thousands of customers who are very happy with there RadarBoxes across the world and we do have many special features and projects upcoming.

While the market has changed in the last few years we are still fully behind supporting RadarBox and its customers and of course developing it further. We do value your feedback and comments and we hope you continue to be stay with us and be pleasantly surprised with new projects and updates.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: tarbat on July 23, 2012, 03:49:10 PM
We will be looking at whether an updated version can be released soon as beta or whether it will be worth making sure all the issues noted have been rectified before releasing a major version update.

If it were my decision, I would elect to release an updated version ASAP, to address the top FOUR items on the bug list.  That would go some way towards restoring confidence in AirNav's commitment to bug-fixing, and would have the maximum impact on the majority of users.  As always, I'm willing to put the time and effort into beta-testing if it will help resolve the major bugs.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: orkney on July 23, 2012, 04:06:27 PM
In fact the update given to the Singapore customer contained much of the updated code which rectified majority of issues on the bug pages.

Hello Airnav

I just want to know why this version isn't in testing and due to be released ASAP if it has cured most of the bugs?

Thank you

Andrew
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: AirNav Support on July 23, 2012, 04:18:21 PM
The code bases are different, without going into techincals the version which we wanted to release earlier this year was built from the ground up however this is not fully ready yet. There are various reasons to why this version is not ready which we will not go into yet.

Some of the updated code was then ported back to Version 4. At present we will need to decide whether we press ahead with the new version which is built in a different way and release when its ready. Or we stop that development and port back code to the older version to remove any bugs.

Of course we anticapted that the new major version release would have been released by now hence not needing to work the Version 4 code. Hope that explains things a bit better. 
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: orkney on July 23, 2012, 04:27:54 PM
Hello Airnav

Thanks for that, It does explain some things.

Andrew
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: CoastGuardJon on July 23, 2012, 05:25:43 PM
We do value your feedback and comments and we hope you continue to be stay with us and be pleasantly surprised without new projects and updates.

I think this sentence could be described as a "Freudian Slip" but is probably nearer the truth!

- EDIT AirNav Support, Oops thanks we will change the post and we promise projects are features are on the way.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: oliver14 on July 23, 2012, 06:11:39 PM
I fear this thread will now fizzle out again, and another year will pass with nothing happening.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: bratters on July 23, 2012, 06:48:14 PM
Is anybody any the wiser following Airnav's reply? If so please tell me whether and when we will be getting any software updates and whether and when a new box will appear and what it will contain. Sounds like more smoke and mirrors to me.

Phrases like "our hands are tied regarding announcing timelines" and "delays which are not in our control" cut no ice with this "armchair businessman". My business problems were mine to deal with and were never offered as excuses to my customers for non-delivery - not that they would have been accepted!

Like so many others, I have enjoyed my Box over the years and still use it but I'll need an awful a lot of persuasion to buy another - if indeed there ever is another.

 



Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: tarbat on July 23, 2012, 07:30:11 PM
My guess is that AirNav Support are waiting on AirNav Development for a more precise answer.  Airnav Development (http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) haven't been on the forum since 01:42am, so maybe unavailable.  Patience!!
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: CoastGuardJon on July 23, 2012, 07:37:29 PM
Patience!!

Hi Chris, like you we've been patient for a long, long time and are getting fed up with downright lies and being stalled off for months.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: lambertw on July 23, 2012, 10:57:25 PM
Very disappointing the lack of progress,mirrored in other forums,looks like we have to put up with what we've got or move on as an individual.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Marpleman on July 23, 2012, 11:31:45 PM
My guess is that AirNav Support are waiting on AirNav Development for a more precise answer.  Airnav Development (http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) haven't been on the forum since 01:42am, so maybe unavailable.  Patience!!


Are you kidding?

The "AirNav" part in both "Development" and "Support" is the big giveaway!!!!

so now the left "arm" doesn't know what the right "arm" is doing.............

I've seen more "spin" on here than from a lifelong prosession of politiians.
Nothing at all is promised ever, period!

I think the responses from everyone speak volumes?

Yours, disappointed of Stockport.......

Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: b777200er on July 24, 2012, 12:34:18 AM
it's air nav history to not update their product. acars, suite 4 and now radar box. they want your money and promise you everything, but never any updates. their answer was the biggest bunch of BS i've heard in a long time. and given away 50 box did not make me happy either, i had to pay hard earn money for mine when it first came out. i think it time they start taking care of their customers and stop the BS
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: tarbat on July 24, 2012, 07:37:07 AM
My guess is that AirNav Support are waiting on AirNav Development for a more precise answer.  Airnav Development (http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) haven't been on the forum since 01:42am, so maybe unavailable.  Patience!!
Are you kidding?

No, of course I'm not kidding.  Support and Development aren't the same.  Although I'm still very disappointed that Andre hasn't provided a credible update on the status of developments.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Brimon on July 24, 2012, 08:39:09 AM
Shiptrax has been used constantly as an excuse for delays in the bug fixes/updating of the Airnav software. The Radarbox is not a cheap piece of kit, when you consider the free apps out there & also take into account network charges etc. I have not re-subscribed to the live network, nor will I , until new software is released. I am at present, until all the major bugs are swatted, happy using my box just capturing my own aerial returns.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: Marpleman on July 24, 2012, 08:18:18 PM
My guess is that AirNav Support are waiting on AirNav Development for a more precise answer. Airnav Development (http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) haven't been on the forum since 01:42am, so maybe unavailable. Patience!!
Are you kidding?
No, of course I'm not kidding. Support and Development aren't the same. Although I'm still very disappointed that Andre hasn't provided a credible update on the status of developments.
Come on Tarbat wise up !
 AirNav is one organisation. I'm FD for a semicondutor manufaturer. Several other directors also exist in the same company. We know exactly what the organisatioional strategy and goals are and don't need to wait for others to be available on such issues.

Both Dev and Support are part of the same, irrespective of them being different individuals.

I think this probably tells us more than anything about the tin-pot organisation we're dealing with?

Couldn't agree more with your last point though!
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: tarbat on July 24, 2012, 09:36:35 PM
Come on Tarbat wise up !

I don't need anyone telling me to "wise up" when it comes to Airnav.  I probably know more about who does what within Airnav than most.  In fact I probably know more about their development plans as well, having tested some of it, and even been consulted on some aspects.

I just find it frustrating when developments get delayed.  I can guess why the RBv5 software has been delayed, and I can also understand why Airnav won't say publicly what the delay is.  But it's frustrating for end-users to not know if the more serious bugs are going to be fixed in RBv4, or if they'll have to wait for RBv5 for the fixes.

For example, during the ShipTrax development, I knew why the release was delayed, since it was me that found the problems that delayed the launch.  But I always agreed not to discuss in public the contents of emails with Airnav Development.

One question.  Did Birdie (Singapore) get the equatorial bug fix in an early release of RBv5?  Or a patched RBv4?
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: anorak on July 25, 2012, 08:26:07 AM
Please Guys lets not fight amongst ourselves, but encourage the developers to hasten their efforts in producing a more improved product.
Thanks,  Dave.
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: dumpty on July 25, 2012, 08:49:27 AM
I've been sitting on the fence on this one until now but I've got to get it off my chest...




Can someone add a 'p' to the thread title!!
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: anorak on July 25, 2012, 09:07:03 AM
Who`s taken the " P "   ?   ;-)))
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: chewycanes on July 25, 2012, 09:15:24 AM
Hi Guys
I gave up with Airnav responses ages ago.
Its the same old waffle and six months down the line we will still be asking the same questions.

Brian
Title: Re: Develoments
Post by: bratters on July 25, 2012, 09:28:42 AM
Please Guys lets not fight amongst ourselves, but encourage the developers to hasten their efforts in producing a more improved product.
Thanks,  Dave.

Dave - I totally agree with your comment about pointless in-fighting but to suggest that we should  "encourage the developers to hasten their efforts in producing a more improved product" is to wave a big red flag at a herd of bulls.

Let's face it,  this very thread is testament to the exasperation felt with Airnav's utter failure to respond to our constant and countless pleadings over the years. What more should we say that has not already been said? 

Virtually the only threads on the forum these days are devoted to Update Requests, Logos, Outlines, and Silhouettes - all of them DIY and that in itself speaks volumes about the state of product support for a product that cost £400 a pop plus charges for additional serices.


Encourage the developers??? You've got to be kidding Dave - we're way past that point now.

Title: Re: Developments
Post by: anorak on July 25, 2012, 09:46:19 AM
Just trying to pour a little oil on very troubled waters.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: CoastGuardJon on July 25, 2012, 10:24:56 AM
Come on Tarbat wise up !

I don't need anyone telling me to "wise up" when it comes to Airnav.  I probably know more about who does what within Airnav than most.  In fact I probably know more about their development plans as well, having tested some of it, and even been consulted on some aspects.

I just find it frustrating when developments get delayed.  I can guess why the RBv5 software has been delayed, and I can also understand why Airnav won't say publicly what the delay is.  But it's frustrating for end-users to not know if the more serious bugs are going to be fixed in RBv4, or if they'll have to wait for RBv5 for the fixes.

For example, during the ShipTrax development, I knew why the release was delayed, since it was me that found the problems that delayed the launch.  But I always agreed not to discuss in public the contents of emails with Airnav Development.

One question.  Did Birdie (Singapore) get the equatorial bug fix in an early release of RBv5?  Or a patched RBv4?

I think you've rather missed our point Chris - all we want is to be treated as we are - adults (mainly!?) and paying customers - cut the mealy mouthed management clap-trap and tell us the truth, not keep on telling lies and feeding us a load of BS and broken promises.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: tarbat on July 25, 2012, 11:30:57 AM
I think you've rather missed our point Chris - all we want is to be treated as we are - adults (mainly!?) and paying customers - cut the mealy mouthed management clap-trap and tell us the truth, not keep on telling lies and feeding us a load of BS and broken promises

Please give it a break.  No, I haven't missed your point.  Of course i understand that all you want is to be "treated like adults".  I've already called for AirNav to provide a credible update on the status of developments, and clarify whether the more serious bugs are going to be fixed in RBv4, or if we'll have to wait for RBv5 for the fixes.

Not sure why you think I've missed your point.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: bratters on July 25, 2012, 12:53:31 PM
Just trying to pour a little oil on very troubled waters.

Point taken Dave. Nothing personal, just sheer exasperation on my part (& others I guess!)

It would be easier if Airnav just came out and said something solid.
 
"Sorry guys, no changes/updates whatsoever to the software of your current boxes will  be forthcoming".
OK...end of development of this box. No problem. I can handle that and at least we know where we stand.

Maybe "we're working on an all new box and as a long term existing owner you'll be entitled to a sizeable discount on the price when it launches in November".  Or "we have no plans to launch a new box" or perhaps "we are unlikely to launch a new box for at least a further 12 months".

Is clear communication with your customers so difficult? Apparently it is.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: oliver14 on July 25, 2012, 01:33:36 PM
Just trying to pour a little oil on very troubled waters.

Point taken Dave. Nothing personal, just sheer exasperation on my part (& others I guess!)

It would be easier if Airnav just came out and said something solid.
 
"Sorry guys, no changes/updates whatsoever to the software of your current boxes will  be forthcoming".
OK...end of development of this box. No problem. I can handle that and at least we know where we stand.

Maybe "we're working on an all new box and as a long term existing owner you'll be entitled to a sizeable discount on the price when it launches in November".  Or "we have no plans to launch a new box" or perhaps "we are unlikely to launch a new box for at least a further 12 months".

Is clear communication with your customers so difficult? Apparently it is.


I think this is exactly what we need at this point.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Marpleman on July 25, 2012, 02:28:12 PM
Seconded!!
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: AirNav Development on July 25, 2012, 03:08:28 PM
We would first like to apologize for the delay in replying to this thread. Unfortunately one of our team members has had a serious personal problem 7 days ago and we were waiting for his feedback to properly answer the points raised on this thread. We really hope you understand this situation.

Despite not yet visible we are working hard on the background on 3 RadarBox related projects. Unfortunately we cannot disclose details due to commercial reasons (we understand this is frustrating for users so interested in this project like you but unfortunately this forum is followed by thousands of members daily). Things are progressing quite well and we are doing our best to release one of the project in BETA before the end of August.

This year has been marked by the development of such projects as well as a continuous development on the ShipTrax/ShipSpotting.com front where we having a great success - have a visit to shipspotting.com and check the improvements made to the site recently with the addition of AIS and, currently, with the development of mobile solutions for iPad/iPhone/Android. We have also done a lot of stabilization development on our servers which is finally giving good results.

We are totally aware of the current problems with the RadarBox Windows software - especially the Equator Hole bug and we are working on it: a new version, V4.04 has been sent to users in those areas but we are still experiencing other bugs related to this problem.

In resume we are working hard and all of our users will be be very happy to what we are planning to release before the end of August which will bring a new dimension to the RadarBox world. We understand it is frustrating for you not to get more details about these projects but please be confident on our work and our efforts to continue to grow on the Virtual RadarBox hobby.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: b777200er on July 25, 2012, 03:14:49 PM
More double talk that says nothing. And using a team member who had problems 7 days ago-------really bad on your part.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: tarbat on July 25, 2012, 03:43:04 PM
We are totally aware of the current problems with the RadarBox Windows software - especially the Equator Hole bug and we are working on it: a new version, V4.04 has been sent to users in those areas but we are still experiencing other bugs related to this problem.

I don't get it.  You asked me for a bug list last year, "in order of more attractive to users vs those that apply only to a minimal number of users".  And the bug you're working on is one listed as "Minority" in the "User Impacted" column.  Why not work on the seven more important bugs listed as "All" and "Majority" in the "User Impacted" column.

Or did I waste my time doing the bug list for you?
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Runway 31 on July 25, 2012, 03:53:32 PM
Tarbat,

I dont know the answer to your last and i  dont know if he just concentrated on the Equatorial bug as a for instance but as you are aware Supports reply a couple of pages ago stated  "We had planned to have a new major version of RadarBox released earlier this year however due to delays which are not in our control this hasn’t been possible. In fact the update given to the Singapore customer contained much of the updated code which rectified majority of issues on the bug pages. "

Hopefully the majority of the bugs you have in your list are accounted for and are included in what Dev alluded to but didnt go into any detail and will be available as he stated by end of August.  We will just have to wait and see.

Alan
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: tarbat on July 25, 2012, 04:00:23 PM
Hopefully the majority of the bugs you have in your list are accounted for and are included in what Dev alluded to but didnt go into any detail and will be available as he stated by end of August.  We will just have to wait and see.

I don't think it's the Radarbox Windows client that is due for release by the end of August!!  AFAIK, that's something else entirely.  I don't think we have a date for v4.04 release, unless AirNav want to clarify that.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Runway 31 on July 25, 2012, 04:08:45 PM
Reading it again you are correct and yes clarity on an update is no further forward

Alan
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: CoastGuardJon on July 25, 2012, 04:21:33 PM
I think you've rather missed our point Chris - all we want is to be treated as we are - adults (mainly!?) and paying customers - cut the mealy mouthed management clap-trap and tell us the truth, not keep on telling lies and feeding us a load of BS and broken promises

Please give it a break.  No, I haven't missed your point.  Of course i understand that all you want is to be "treated like adults".  I've already called for AirNav to provide a credible update on the status of developments, and clarify whether the more serious bugs are going to be fixed in RBv4, or if we'll have to wait for RBv5 for the fixes.

Not sure why you think I've missed your point.

With the greatest of respect Chris, I personally feel you are a bit too close to AirNav to start telling the rest of us to be patient as in your post 23/07 at 1930.   I have just read your post of 1543 today, and if I was you I'd be feeling a lot more than frustrated!
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: tarbat on July 25, 2012, 04:33:14 PM
I have just read your post of 1543 today, and if I was you I'd be feeling a lot more than frustrated!

I am - a LOT more!!
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Marpleman on July 25, 2012, 06:18:38 PM
I'm totally flabbergasted.

I seriously, but obviously foolishly thought things had gone as low as they possibly could.......................

Could I maybe suggest a career in politics beckons AirNav?

Oh yes, nearly forgot, splendid news to welcome back our dear old friend "ShipTrax", but this time, he's brought "ShipSpotting" to the party - Hurrah! Three Cheers for everything nautical!!!

Anyhow, can't waste anymore time bemoaning the state of affairs with my lovely RadarBox, I'm off to visit shipspotting.com........................................................

Edit - oh yes, nearly forgot, is that August 2012???  It's going to have to be groundbreaking
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: bratters on July 25, 2012, 07:04:08 PM
"In resume we are working hard and all of our users will be be very happy to what we are planning to release before the end of August which will bring a new dimension to the RadarBox world. We understand it is frustrating for you not to get more details about these projects but please be confident on our work and our efforts to continue to grow on the Virtual RadarBox hobby."

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.  We're getting nowhere because Airnav Radar Box is going nowhere. 

Time to move on chaps, time to move on.

PS

"unfortunately this forum is followed by thousands of members"   

Words fail me.





Title: Re: Developments
Post by: neroon79 on July 26, 2012, 02:54:42 AM
I'm not waiting any longer for the update or the new RB5, because waiting for something that is delayed and delayed and... gets me (very) frustrated. And after frustration there comes anger, which which leads to higher blood pressure, which leads to shortening of life-span. So, in interest of my own health and soul-peace I stopped waiting and it worked quite well for a quite long time. But know, thanks to this thread,  the frustration is about to coming back.

Just a thought: Maybe it's better that the release is taking so much time and is finally resulting in a new SW Version that is having less bugs then 4.03, as to launch one that have an equal number or much worse even a higher number of bugs or function failures and other mishap. I remember a operating system called VISTA which was a very deep toilette fishing thing. I won't like to get a RB SW Version that is working as well as VISTA did. 
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: tarbat on July 26, 2012, 09:34:54 AM
So, to summarise my understanding of where we are:

1. There is a v4.04 version released to a few users in Singapore, but the only bug this attempts to fix is the equatorial black hole.  Coverage around Singapore (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/7649196202/sizes/o/in/photostream/) looks pretty solid at the moment.

2. Any other bug fixes will now have to wait for v5 of the Windows Radarbox client software, which is a separate code base.

3. Any new features, such as multilateration/beamfinder will now have to wait for v5 of the Windows Radarbox client software or v2 of the Radarbox hardware, along with the back-end server changes.

4. Timescales are unknown, so it's pointless to speculate when these will be available.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Hawkeye on July 26, 2012, 03:23:51 PM
Not only has nothing been done to fix any of the bugs listed by Tarbet except perhaps the Equatorial Black Hole problem, which I can’t imagine the vast majority of users are particularly interested in anyway, but someone managed to create another one in the 20120701 navdata.db3 database.
How a straight forward new issue of a database which has been updated without any problems several times previously can be cocked up is hard to imagine.  Surely it shouldn’t be difficult to correct it.
Judging from the number of people submitting info to the updaters, the database updates are widely appreciated but it would seem that the problem is of little concern to AirNav who haven’t even responded to the several forum members who reported it.
More annoying to me is that Alan, who freely puts so much time and effort into it has personally asked that it be sorted out but unless something has happened since his last post on the matter, even he is banging his head against a wall.
 
Come on AirNav, get your act together. You must recognise from the comments posted on here that a lot of your customers, and may I suggest possible future ones who use the forum to weigh up the pros and cons of R/Box, are disillusioned with your ‘customer care’.
Oh, and in case you think I’m slagging off the RadarBox unit I’m not.
I wouldn’t like to be without mine, I consider it to be the best VR on the market, and would recommend it to anyone. It’s just that in terms of PR, actions and promised actions, you are so frustrating. 
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Runway 31 on July 26, 2012, 05:51:45 PM
Nothing yet Syd but I am contacting tonight to see if we can have a new one run off, fingers crossed

Alan
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: tommyg on July 26, 2012, 10:15:41 PM
As the old saying goes  'It takes ages to gain a good reputation but only seconds to loose it' At the moment although the product is good, (it was very good until a couple of years ago) the customer care is at the opposite end of the scale, so I for one will not invest money in a new product that Airnav produces until I can see a big improvement in aftersales care.

Tommy
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: b777200er on July 28, 2012, 03:47:44 PM
Another week has pass and still no info from AirNav. Just double talk and a "We could care less about updates for our customers and product attitude".
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: chewycanes on July 28, 2012, 06:14:20 PM
Hi All

Unless AN come up with something wonderful in the next few weeks then i give up i will keep my box but will not subscribe to any new functions.

I currently susbscribe to another supplier for Planeplotter which for a small cost gives me some info on military aircraft in my area. However this is not brilliant and i do get lots of errors where i live in SE england but i can cope with it

I have waited nearly two years  for updates but nothing had occurred except the same excuses. My guess is that as soon as they make a new issue of software we will have to pay...

I dont't want to be  a doom and gloom person but when the wonderful suppliers of updates and logos give up who will take over ?.

I wish to thank the people like Alan & Rod who put in the effort to keep AN alive.

I love my box but not the support and the response from AN.

I don't think AN will respond to this post unless it is the usual repsonse of ' we cannot comment due to .....'

Please AN don't keep giving us bull..it.  Release a version to sort out known  bugs for the majority of users.

Brian     







 
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Marpleman on July 28, 2012, 07:31:53 PM
I wish to thank the people like Alan & Rod who put in the effort to keep AN alive.



 I'm sure Alan would be the first to also recognise the efforts of the two Andrews and "ACW" on the updaters team, who do a hell of a lot in the background that isn't always given credit for.

Meanwhile, Rod will no doubt one day make the New Years Honours List for efforts to RadarBox

Regards

Rich
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: chewycanes on July 29, 2012, 06:49:50 AM
Hi Rich

Thanks for highlighting those who need recognition for all the work they put in that i did not mention

Brian
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: bratters on July 29, 2012, 09:21:38 AM
Let me add my thanks to all members who have contributed so generously of their time to keep RB updated and improved.

It is fair to say that your work alone has kept RB alive and kicking and without you many boxes would have been binned long ago.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: tarbat on July 29, 2012, 10:33:10 AM
Its the complete lack of progress updates from Airnav Development that frustrate me most.  I've put so much into the development of Radarbox and ShipTrax over the years, including things like DF20/21 decoding, SQLite database design, silhouettes process, route lookups, SAR tracking, 3D ship model design, AIS sharing, OSM mapping, MLAT testing, etc.

The last I knew, Radarbox 2 was in development (that was May 2011), MLAT testing was due to start December last year, and v5 software development was well underway with a dedicated team of 5 programmers.  Yet still we have no idea if RB2 and v5 software will be delivered this year, next year, sometime, never?

I give up.  Sorry Airnav, but I feel let down.  My loyalty has run out.  The vast majority of your customers aren't interested in radarbox24, or AIS network development.  The only product that matters to them is Radarbox (hardware & software).
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Henning on July 29, 2012, 12:29:02 PM
I really liked the RadarBox software with all the integrated features - the aircraft list with pictures, autopopulated informations and the 3D view. That's why I bought a RadarBox and not a different ADS-B receiver.
But since I have bought the box a couple of years ago, there was no update and no patch for existing errors. I was hoping that there will be a new release of the software with bugfixes. But not even small bugs that are really easy to fix have been implemented...

Two weeks ago I gave up and bought the newest version of the ADB-S receiver of one of the major competitors. I still like the graphical interface of the RadarBox software more but I am so impressed what kind of data I am able to receive! I could never think of that. And the software seems to be improved continually. One of my favourite new features is the display of the target altitude that has been entered by the pilot and the integrated ACARS receiving.
I can also have a 3D cockpit view and a 3D display of the aircraft data. It is not as nice as the RadarBox version with the different aircraft models and textures. That's really cool. But at least the planes are displayed at the correct altitude. That's the bug that annoyed me the most and that has never been fixed, despite it is just a multiplication that needs to be added to the current code...

I will follow this forum. Maybe I will get my RadarBox back out of the cupboard when a new software version with bugfixes is available... But I don't think that there will ever be one...
It's really sad as I always liked my RadarBox.

And again thanks to everyone who maintained the databases, logos, etc. I have always downloaded the newest versions and without your work I had bought another product much earlier! It was you guys keeping RadarBox users happy. It was not the effort of Airnav... They can be happy that they have so enthusiastic customers who spend so much time for free!
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Marpleman on July 29, 2012, 01:21:46 PM
It's really not looking good is it AirNav?

Whilst the work of the updaters and Rod's endless "add-ons" provide a (possibly false) picture of continued progression on the forum,Tarbat has relentlessly fought the RadarBox cause for many years, and often takes some really unfair criticism on other forums. I don't think any of us can start to contemplate the work he has put in to move the product forward?

His stance has been nothing short of remarkable.

It saddens me to read his post above, especially in light of the suggestions as to where the software may have been going in the future as alluded to in his post.

I completely agree with his comments. RadarBox 24??  Really???

Over the last three or so years, certain people have come on here, expressing disdain with certain developments and despite offering constructive criticism, often leading to fairly vocal and nasty comments being exchanged, have pretty much been fairly accurate with their viewpoints. Unfortunately, it seems their views and opinions have been pretty much shown to be more than valid.

The day Tarbat hangs up his boots, is practically the day that this forum membership looses touch completely with the product as far as I can see?

Shame on you AirNav...................

Tarbat, I sincerely hope you may be able to reconsider your stance with this, but fully understand your position. All I can say, is thanks for all your efforts with the product. You deserve much much more than you have been given.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: anorak on July 29, 2012, 02:49:57 PM
I got a new knee on the NHS quicker than an update from AN, and my new knee seems to be working fine.
Best wishes to Tarbat, Rod,and so many more who have put so much into our pastime,  Dave.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: AirNav Support on July 29, 2012, 03:31:26 PM
All,

While we have been quiet recently we have sat back and been reading and listening to customers here as well the comments sent directly to us and we have spent the week trying to rethink our priorities and devise a plan.

Firstly a background to the situation, RadarBox is advanced software and has gone through evolutions from version 1 back in 2007 through various updates and many features being added at each stage.  RadarBox has been the 1st in many features which till this day are not done by any competitors.

AirNav Systems setup this forum back in 2007 with the launch of RadarBox expanding the product through new features from customers requests and to create a community. We have been an on hand support team ever since to help new customers and old.

Through this community the Database Team and customers like Rod and Tarbat have put a special and amazing effort to expand the product and help customers. We cannot thank them enough for their efforts.

Over the last few years we have continued to support RadarBox by introducing the Real time network, Route look up advancements and creating the system for the Database Team. The efforts of the development team were however delayed by ShipTrax and once complete we have moved on to creating a new top down version of RadarBox for the future however like any projects we have faced some unforeseen delays.

The Plan Forward:

After listening to customers this week, we have decided that the development team due to the delays on the new top down version will go back to Version 4 code and rectify the major bugs and issues that customers are facing. (This will delay the RadarBox related projects we mentioned only) We are putting plans in place to get this setup and contacting customers who have had certain issues to work through them with us (we do have certain details of these provided). We hope to then achieve a beta version soon to all customers (we obviously cannot give a date but we will be working on get this out as soon as possible).

We understand the frustration from customers regarding some of the issues and we will putting our full efforts behind this to rectify Version 4 before moving back on to the new version. We do apologise profusely for the delays however we hope to be able to bring the beta and other new developments as soon as possible to the public.

The importance of this forum is key to the RadarBox project and we have thank everyone for their efforts on this forum in helping customers but also your opinions and requests which help the community and strive for us to push for a better product.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: anorak on July 29, 2012, 04:48:20 PM
Thank you,  Dave.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Sketco on August 10, 2012, 08:13:44 PM
I'm desperate for MLAT on ANRB. There is so much quality choice out there.
I love the look and feel of ANRB, but I've had a gut full of paying for an additional service from another provider when i could be doing it for free as a contributor.
Patience is a virtue i know, but money talks, BS walks, and there's a lot of talking, not much walking from ANRB.
Not their fault really. Just wish I'd done more research before shelling out a substantial investment.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: b777200er on August 10, 2012, 11:15:47 PM
It's the Air Nav way-------there no reason why we should have to pay extra for a real time network.

Donnie
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: AirNav Development on August 11, 2012, 02:00:35 AM
Again we are working hard on the background developing new projects for the AirNav RadarBox community.
We want to release the first of these projects in the begining of Sept (90% of the work is done at this time).
We are also already working on RadarBox Windows Client software, version 4.04 which should correct all the reported and pending bugs.

These project are extremelly complex and when we release a new product/solution we want it to be better than what is already available on the market.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: b777200er on September 03, 2012, 04:06:41 PM
Air Nav---------it's the beginning of September may we have an update on the project that 90% of the work has been done??????  Per you post on August 10.


thanks
Donnie
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: AirNav Support on September 03, 2012, 04:11:05 PM
Its nearly ready. There should be more news soon.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: b777200er on September 03, 2012, 04:55:26 PM
The good old Air Nav run a round----------never give the Customer a straight/informative answer.

Donnie
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: CoastGuardJon on September 05, 2012, 01:27:14 PM
Ahhhh, come on Donnie, AN didn't say this year!!!!
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: b777200er on September 06, 2012, 09:38:16 PM
CoastGaurdJon---------you are right they didn't say this year, and i don't expect anything from them this year. Been around since the acars days -----know how they are. Only good at collecting payments due on time.

Donnie
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: AirNav Support on September 07, 2012, 07:37:55 AM
Can certain members please behave on this thread otherwise this will be locked and members warned. We have left this thread alone to let customers voice there thoughts but if they are just posting to start trouble they will be warned.

We expect to release the project in the next week or so, the final touches are being added to it.

Title: Re: Developments
Post by: b777200er on September 07, 2012, 09:41:06 PM
Support---------In most countries free speech is still allowed. If you would learn to be honest and up front with your customers all these comments would not be posted. Air Nav track record with updates and info leaves a lots to be desired.

Donnie
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: knight01 on September 08, 2012, 09:34:31 PM
People are just being honest and venting their anger at years of being ignored. Threats will not accomplish anything, but will put the reputation of a company at risk.

What's that old saying:

" It takes years to build a good reputation, and only seconds to destroy it."
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Henning on September 14, 2012, 01:56:22 PM
Aug 11:
Quote
We want to release the first of these projects in the begining of Sept (90% of the work is done at this time).

Sep 03:
Quote
Its nearly ready. There should be more news soon.

Sep 07:
We expect to release the project in the next week or so, the final touches are being added to it.

So as the next week is over it does not seem to be "early september" nor "next week"... it seems to be "or so" again... :-(
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: knight01 on September 17, 2012, 08:57:47 AM
Again we are working hard on the background developing new projects for the AirNav RadarBox community.
We want to release the first of these projects in the begining of Sept (90% of the work is done at this time).
We are also already working on RadarBox Windows Client software, version 4.04 which should correct all the reported and pending bugs.

Beginning of September has been and gone.  We are now into mid September and we'll be in October in about 2 weeks.  Still no news on the project that was "90%" complete on  August 11, 2012.  I, like many other users are losing patience by all the hot air and false statements being announced.  How about being honest and realistic.  Is this too much to ask by paying customers.

If I were to say to my customers your computer will be fixed by this date (I'm in IT tech support) and it didn't happen and kept giving false promises, there would be an investigation within the company I work for and I would be suspended with no pay and possibly out of the door.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Runway 31 on September 17, 2012, 09:19:03 AM
The good thing Knight is that the projects mentioned are additional to what you have paid for although I would agree that an update wouldbe benificial.

Alan
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: AirNav Support on September 17, 2012, 09:21:38 AM
knight01 and All,

As we stated in the previous post in this thread with an update (we mentioned it would be released around Mid Sep) we are very close to release now. This isn't hot air or lies, there has already been details of this project released through other means that some customers are aware off, there have also been images etc.. leaked of this project so the project is not hot air at all. We are just making sure the project is fully ready.

We have in the past released projects/software etc.. on exact release dates and then had complaints that there were bugs issues. We have learnt from that and now only release when we are happy as well as the testers give the thumbs up. If this leads to a delay then we believe that is better than releasing to early. In this case the project has no pre-orders or anything as such so your last paragraph doesn't apply.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: knight01 on September 17, 2012, 11:13:40 AM
Can you point us to the post where it states "mid Sept.", because as I've highlighted a portion of the quote in my post which state (with the spelling mistake)
We want to release the first of these projects in the begining of Sept (90% of the work is done at this time).

This is from post #66 from this thread:
In resume we are working hard and all of our users will be be very happy to what we are planning to release before the end of August which will bring a new dimension to the RadarBox world.

Maybe you (Support) need to communicate with the Dev team.  They are saying one thing and you are saying another.
My last paragraph does apply in principle.  If a company or an individual says something will be done by a certain date or time scale and it doesn't get done, what do you think the outcome will be?  Same applies to your company and/or individuals within your company.

The issue is not with the project(s) itself, which I'm sure it will be great, but the issue is with the time scales being announced that are not being met.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Henning on September 17, 2012, 12:01:36 PM
The good thing Knight is that the projects mentioned are additional to what you have paid for although I would agree that an update wouldbe benificial.

Alan

But what is not additional to what I've paid for is the bugfix of the RadarBox software that I am still awaiting for a couple of years! I have paid for the 3D version but the 3D feature is still pretty useless for me because the aircraft are not displayed at the correct altitude. Not to mention the other bugs that are still not fixed. I cannot think of any other product that I bought that has not been fixed for such a long time. And that's making me angry. Especially as the bug that I want to have fixed is only ONE multiplication missing in the code!
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: AirNav Support on September 17, 2012, 01:09:47 PM
Reply 100 of this thread gave an updated timescale.

Henning, we apologise for the delay, the various posts the page before explain the status of that. We hope to have that fixed and other issues soon, it is priority and our developers are working on it at the moment.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: ACW367 on September 17, 2012, 04:43:20 PM
Airnav Support
This thread has become very confused as it appears forum members are talking about one thing directly related to fixing the existing radarbox product, while Airnav are largely talking about another new product in their range which has no bearing on the radarbox product.  Therefore I feel you need to fully edit this thread to remove the information on that other product out of this hijacked thread.  The replys that discuss that other product could then be moved to form a thread in the correct forum area.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?board=19.0

The Original poster talks about the needed fixes to Radarbox and it is right that this remains the focus of this thread in this forum.

It's seems a long time ago now since we using ANRB had any progress going forward .There is a great deal to choose from out in the world today and the development  of the products and their ability to process data is on going almost at a weekly pace.
ANRB is a quality product but we seem to be being left behind,just my opinion and i'm sure ANRB development personal are on with it as I speak.

The most succint replies from Airnav on this Radarbox releted topic are these two, and they should form the core basis for discussion on this thread moving forward:

We have been reading each post and while our hands are tied regarding announcing timelines we do apologise to those customers who have been disappointed with our efforts.

We have had a master plan which has been affected by various items over the last few years such as ShipTrax delays and others which have caused this situation and we can only profusely apologise.

While its easy to be an armchair businessman the reality is sometimes decisions which are made don’t always work out correctly and delays occur. We had planned to have a new major version of RadarBox released earlier this year however due to delays which are not in our control this hasn’t been possible. In fact the update given to the Singapore customer contained much of the updated code which rectified majority of issues on the bug pages.

We will be looking at whether an updated version can be released soon as beta or whether it will be worth making sure all the issues noted have been rectified before releasing a major version update.

We are however 100% involved in providing a product which is unmatched in terms of features and reputation. Lets however put a few items into perspective, RadarBox is still unrivalled in many features which work straight out the box. We do still have thousands of customers who are very happy with there RadarBoxes across the world and we do have many special features and projects upcoming.

While the market has changed in the last few years we are still fully behind supporting RadarBox and its customers and of course developing it further. We do value your feedback and comments and we hope you continue to be stay with us and be pleasantly surprised with new projects and updates.

All,

While we have been quiet recently we have sat back and been reading and listening to customers here as well the comments sent directly to us and we have spent the week trying to rethink our priorities and devise a plan.

Firstly a background to the situation, RadarBox is advanced software and has gone through evolutions from version 1 back in 2007 through various updates and many features being added at each stage.  RadarBox has been the 1st in many features which till this day are not done by any competitors.

AirNav Systems setup this forum back in 2007 with the launch of RadarBox expanding the product through new features from customers requests and to create a community. We have been an on hand support team ever since to help new customers and old.

Through this community the Database Team and customers like Rod and Tarbat have put a special and amazing effort to expand the product and help customers. We cannot thank them enough for their efforts.

Over the last few years we have continued to support RadarBox by introducing the Real time network, Route look up advancements and creating the system for the Database Team. The efforts of the development team were however delayed by ShipTrax and once complete we have moved on to creating a new top down version of RadarBox for the future however like any projects we have faced some unforeseen delays.

The Plan Forward:

After listening to customers this week, we have decided that the development team due to the delays on the new top down version will go back to Version 4 code and rectify the major bugs and issues that customers are facing. (This will delay the RadarBox related projects we mentioned only) We are putting plans in place to get this setup and contacting customers who have had certain issues to work through them with us (we do have certain details of these provided). We hope to then achieve a beta version soon to all customers (we obviously cannot give a date but we will be working on get this out as soon as possible).

We understand the frustration from customers regarding some of the issues and we will putting our full efforts behind this to rectify Version 4 before moving back on to the new version. We do apologise profusely for the delays however we hope to be able to bring the beta and other new developments as soon as possible to the public.

The importance of this forum is key to the RadarBox project and we have thank everyone for their efforts on this forum in helping customers but also your opinions and requests which help the community and strive for us to push for a better product.



However the following replies surely do not relate to the request of the Original poster for details of progress on updating radarboxes software and/or providing radarbox bug fixes.  These instead refer to the September release of the (leaked) non-radarbox product.  Therefore discussion surrounding these replies should be completely removed from the Radarbox sub-section of the forum and should be split into a thread on the correct Radarbox24 forum area,
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg82951#msg82951
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg83684#msg83684
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg83782#msg83782
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg84132#msg84132
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=7103.msg84141#msg84141

This thread can get back on topic of when us dedicated radarbox users will stop witnessing other products released to the Airnav product line and enable us to seek from Airnav any explanation of when they plan to release anything that relates to Radarbox software as they undertook to do on 29 July.   
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: Brimon on September 17, 2012, 05:31:06 PM
Without quoting ACW367's response in full.I agree confusion abounds, either that or "someone" is boxing or should that be "Radarboxing" very clever here trying to muddy the waters regarding the updates we have all been waiting for for the Radarbox. Radarbox24 developments should not have entered the equation, the original post was about Radarbox updates.
If the bugs & the upodates for Radarbox have been delayed because of Radarbox24 I will not be a happy camper as we were offered the same excuses when Shiptrax was under development.

I echo the other post, tell us whether Airnav are going to continue to upgrade & support the Radarbox, or do we all start looking elsewhere? We are customers & have all invested money,& in the case of Tarbet & the updaters for the database, alot of time in this thing.Think we have a right to a clear & concise answer regarding Radarbox, not Radarbox24.
Title: Re: Developments
Post by: AirNav Support on September 17, 2012, 06:59:13 PM
We will lock this thread to stop any further confusion and create a new thread explaining things once more.