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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: perezoso on March 06, 2011, 01:30:49 PM
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Question:
For reasons discussed elsewhere, I have repeatedly unchecked the "share data on the network" box in my preferences and applied the change. Yet several times after I have restarted the RadarBox application, I find that network sharing has been re-enabled through no action of my own.
Is this a bug in my preferences file, or is this a programmed behavior by the RB application?
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The default setting is "share data" so you need to uncheck the box every time if you do not wish to share.
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I can't believe that's really true... but I'm worried that it might be.
You're telling me that I can't permanently set my radarbox software to not share on the network?
If I can't effectively turn my sharing off, then I definitely want AirNav to give me free network access. Or for them to immediately fix this bug.
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Its not a bug its designed that way.
You can turn it of, it must however be done each session. I am sure you can remember as it is so important to you.
Alan
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Hi Perezoso, this has been raised many times and AN will not alter it (if they did they'd lose a lot of the info we all feed into the network, which they then want to sell back to us). I'm sure that somewhere on the Radarspotters site, there is some code you can enter into the RB start up sequence on your own PC that will disable the default, but being a computer numpty, I've know idea how to use it. Also, until my network sub runs out next month, I've been using other contributors' data, so feel it's only right to share mine, but don't know if I'll take up another sub, especially when it's 5 mins delayed, and I can't justify paying the extra cost for real-time. I hope this helps, and if I can find the post with the code, I'll post the link.
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Wow. I find that extremely annoying. I also frankly wonder if it is legal, at least here in the US.
It's certainly unethical - a deceptive practice. You set it not to share and save your selection; but then it comes back - like a member of botnet or some sort of trojan - and resets itself to feed AirNav's computers, in all likelihood without the knowledge of many of the people who are feeding.
The purpose of preferences, after all, is to allow a user to set their preferences.
AirNav, what do you say about this?
I say that I will look into the legality of your business practices if this does not change.
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We tend to receive these comments from time to time and almost always from the same users. We are already getting PMs from several forum members regarding these kind of posts.
Our answer is quite simple: the way this feature works will remain as it is and we have no plans to change it. RadarBox Network is by far the world biggest ADS-B/Mode-s network and will continue to be and, taking in account the number of new subscriptions we continue to get the interest in the network feature continues to grow.
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We have just removed a post. We do not allow links to any pages where our software is cracked.
Also this topic has discussed in depth before, please have a search of the forum.
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Hi ANSupport, my apologies for posting the link.
Jon
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We tend to receive these comments from time to time and almost always from the same users. We are already getting PMs from several forum members regarding these kind of posts.
Our answer is quite simple: the way this feature works will remain as it is and we have no plans to change it. RadarBox Network is by far the world biggest ADS-B/Mode-s network and will continue to be and, taking in account the number of new subscriptions we continue to get the interest in the network feature continues to grow.
Taking into account the number of new subscriptions, surely you will be able to offer a more reasonable price for the Realtime network. The present rate is just short of 12000 Euro per 100 subscribers for a year.
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Do what i did buy a good dedicated aerial, get it as high as possible i get over 200miles and its a one off payment, its better than paying £70 a year for RadarBox Network
Delayed (Network data delayed 5 minutes) program.
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Hello all,
My first step after starting RB is to uncheck "Share Filght Data" because in my
opinion it is the ultimate scam around. We (the radarbox users) deliver airnav
the data for free and they sell it back to us for a price that is outrageous.
In early days there at least was a feature that if you uploaded a number of hours
you'd get a few hours network data for free, but as the network grew they
convienantly stopped that.
So my advice - simply uncheck after each RB start.
Marinus.
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Marinus,
Search the forum to why we have to charge, its not a case as you simply put it. There is servers, bandwidth, and support costs that have to be paid.
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Hello
I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and can do what they wish with their set up but i have to say that i think the network is actually a very interesting feature to have. I know that we have to pay for the network but really there is not many hobbies and interests that cost nothing after the initial outlay and it is entirely the individuals decision if they feel their interest warrants this payment.
The first year is free and individuals can use that year to decide what they prefer and if it means sharing with others then you get benefit from the other people sharing back.
You also get access to database and free logos. Even though most of these are done by volunteers that is what a hobby is all about-enjoying it and discussing with other enthusiasts.
On top of that you get real time flight number info and any software upgrades free also.
You also have to remember Airnav have overheads too-cost of servers for network so if they didn't charge for network they would make a loss and then it wouldn't be sustainable.
This is just my opinion and think my life would be much more boring without my radarbox (and network).
Andrew
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Well put Andrew
I think your mention of most hobbies having costs after the initial outlay is very valid - most enthusiast databases/resources still charge the end user for updates/data sharing irrespective of where/who provides the data in the first place.
I'm still somewhat amazed that this topic attracts so much attention - after all, it takes all of a couple of seconds to switch off the data share option - big deal??
Alternatively,if people can't see past this, just use your box without an internet connection, so you're sending nothing nowhere?
Life's too short for god's sake!
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I am happy to share, it cost me nothing and might be useful to another "Boxer".
Whats the problem, I don`t use the network feature either.
Best wishes to ALL, Dave.
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I would like to echo "anoraks" post. I do not use the network but I am more than happy to share with Radarbox users who do. Any help that my sharing can give to fellow Radarbox users as I see it is a good thing for mine and their hobby.
I guess I am running the risk of being called a spammer or airnav mole on other forums but "stick and stones" they can always come to Gorinchem in the Netherlands and say it to my face.
Lets all enjoy our hobby no matter which platform we use. We make our own choices and have our own preferences and there is always something out there for us all.
All the best
Ron
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Hi Andrew, Dave and Marpleman, I have always shared up to now, as I've enjoyed my "free and gratis" 12 months included network sub., which runs out in April - 2 years from when I first started using the network - it would seem an error somewhere along the line gave me an extra 12 months, and I will carry on sharing for the next 12 months to return the favour.
I don't mind "donating" my coverage for others to use, but this is being accepted for no payment then being sold on - yes, I do know there are costs involved in providing the servers, bandwidth etc., etc., etc..
My grouse is that to use the real-time network, you then have to pay twice, once to get 12 months 5 minutes delayed network use, and then as much again to get the real-time for 6 months and it's not cheap. If it was say £50 for 12 months 5 min. delayed OR £50 for 6 months real-time, I would say fair enough, it's having to pay both that sticks in my craw! Rant over, I know we'll never agree on everything...................
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If it was say £50 for 12 months 5 min. delayed OR £50 for 6 months real-time
Hello
It is a case of OR. 59.95 euro for 6 months realtime OR 59.95 euro for 12 months delayed.
Anderw
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CoastGuardJon,
Exactly as orkney says, you pay for either real time or delayed not both :)
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Hi ANSupport, I've totally misunderstood the situation then - just to clarify, I can subscribe to 6 months real-time, without paying for the network first - I'd understood it to be an additional option and charge, not a choice?
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The network subscription is either:
Real Time Network.
Delayed Nework.
They both have a cost but you only need one, you don't need to have both delayed and realtime to get realtime.
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Hi Andrew and ANSupport, thank you very much for the swift response and putting me straight on the subs issue. I had completely misunderstood the situation, and almost certainly will be renewing with the real-time in April, now this has been explained.
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I will be renewing very soon due to me being in a very bad dip, and find the network makes the box worthwhile as I only get around 100-200 planes coming over a day from the external antenna. (70m range)
Thanks