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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: AirNav Team on November 10, 2009, 08:00:29 AM
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The testing of RadarBox 3D is progressing well. For those of you who would like to get an idea of the functions available, the draft manual can be accessed via the link below - see the 3D section at the end of the manual. All normal RadarBox functions will be available as well as the new 3D view.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=2996.msg27491#msg27491
Note that RadarBox 3D is still 'work in progress' so the menu functions could well change before release.
The AirNav Team
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Good show Airnav, I can't wait for the 3D version.
Cheers,
Paul.
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All normal RadarBox functions will be available as well as the new 3D view.
And even at the same time with the "Split View" option - 2D & 3D on the screen at the same time!
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4292/20091110193423.jpg)
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and a couple of screen shots for the Aussies :)
(http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/2756/20091110202819.jpg)
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(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1026/20091103172754.jpg)
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and a couple of screen shots for the Aussies :)
What, not flying inverted?
;-)
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Please airnav dont charge us over $15-$20 per year for 3D usage
puddy
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Puddy, Airnav have stated that it will be a one-off upgrade fee, not a recurring subscription.
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Puddy, Airnav have stated that it will be a one-off upgrade fee, not a recurring subscription.
Screenshots look great - await with interest to see what that 'one-off upgrade fee' will be...!
My other concern is to how 'thirsty' it will be on internet resources - I have a 10Gb a month limit and don't won't to see this all spent on downloading Google Earth maps to make ANRB look prettier.
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Another split 2D/3D view showing Heathrow climbouts.
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I'm thinking it could be very hungry on both processor requirements and downloads.
I won't be buying a new pc/laptop to run it, or upgrading my internet plan.
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PlanePlotter has a similar feature and it uses a lot of PC resource and the page refresh rate is slow.
That doesn't mean that the AirNav solution will be too.
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PlanePlotter has a similar feature and it uses a lot of PC resource and the page refresh rate is slow.
That doesn't mean that the AirNav solution will be too.
hi anmer.
I am no computer expert, but i would bet my week wages, it would slow any computer processors down.
Screenshots and graphics are looking great well done airnav.
from pat
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It is a plug in and available mid December and costs a one off fee of £89.95 according to a W & S advert in "Airliner" magazine out today.
Peter
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If that is the true cost, I do know one person who will be keeping his 2D version.
Cheers
Andy
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Whether it's the true price or not, it holds no interest for me, at all.
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Another split 2D/3D view showing Heathrow climbouts.
Any chance of an animation showing aircraft going round in the hold ?
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It is a plug in and available mid December and costs a one off fee of £89.95 according to a W & S advert in "Airliner" magazine out today.
Peter
No way I would be paying that much either...that's extortionate! Will stick to planeplotter I think...
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It features on the W & S webpage, and I've double checked the price as £89.95 together with a corresponding conversion into Euros. Advance telephone orders only being taken at present!
Peter
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At £89.95, it's of no interest to me either - my pension doesn't stetch that far. I'm saving my money up for ShipTrax!!.
But I guess there'll be plenty of users willing to pay for this premium 3D upgrade.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2651/4095632570_5f318ebc48_o.jpg)
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At £89.95, it's of no interest to me either - my pension doesn't stetch that far. I'm saving my money up for ShipTrax!!.
But I guess there'll be plenty of users willing to pay for this premium 3D upgrade.
I'd certainly consider it, but I'd want to see more than just a few static images before shelling out my dosh.
The blurb implies that selecting any aircraft that I'm picking up (ADS-B only, presumably) will produce a 3D picture of the aircraft concerned - it will be interesting to see how quickly the library of airline liveries grows to keep pace with all the types and operators out there.
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Maybe a time limited free trial could be considered so potential customers can guage how well their PC performs and if the product justifies the price?
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Maybe a time limited free trial could be considered so potential customers can guage how well their PC performs and if the product justifies the price?
Yes, I think that's a good idea - especially given the initial cost of buying a Radarbox.
I'd certainly be tempted but, in the current economic climate, I'd want to be 100% certain whether my existing laptop was man enough for the job before making that extra investment! Also a chance to see whether it was viable for those of us not on unlimited data ISP plans...
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Some over lap with comments and ideas which we replied too in other threads.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3333.0
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AirNav
So can you confirm that the price will be £89.95
Andy
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Some over lap with comments and ideas which we replied too in other threads.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3333.0
The thread where you mention (quote) "a very small upgrade fee" :-)
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some climbouts from YSSY (Mascot Sydney)
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5869/20091107112917.jpg)
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some climbouts from YSSY (Mascot Sydney)
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5869/20091107112917.jpg)
hi pjm.
i like it, good photo.
from pat
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AirNav
AirNav
So can you confirm that the price will be £89.95
Andy
Please could we have a honest and up front reply to the above.
Andy
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AirNav
AirNav
So can you confirm that the price will be £89.95
Please could we have a honest and up front reply to the above.
Well it's been on the Waters & Stanton web site unchanged for some weeks now, it seems pretty solid on that basis.
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As with Live Network, 3D would have been great as part of the orginal package when I purchased my RB. No doubt some time in the future RB buyers will get these goodies included.
As things stand I view both as somewhat peripheral, even ornamental in the case of 3D, and in view of the additional costs, they're probably beyond my budget.
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As things stand I view both as somewhat peripheral, even ornamental in the case of 3D, and in view of the additional costs, they're probably beyond my budget.
My sentiments exactly.
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Yes, I agree. Way too expensive. They call this a small upgrade fee ?
I seriously doubt my laptop could run it smoothly anyway.
So that's me out. Shame :(
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Another split 2D/3D view showing Heathrow climbouts.
Any chance of an animation showing aircraft going round in the hold ?
Or the baggage growing mould in the hold ? :)
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Any chance of an animation showing aircraft going round in the hold ?
Not sure what you mean there but I did get a screenshot of a Qantas flight from Canberra to Sydney earlier today that apparently asked/was told to go around very shortly before landing on its first approach to Sydney.
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8389/20091112175706.jpg)
And I have a "pilots view" animation of its second and successful flight over Sydney Harbour and approach to Sydney airport if you want to see the scenery and pretend you are piloting the aircraft :)
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Any chance of an animation showing aircraft going round in the hold ?
Not sure what you mean there
Animation = things (in this case aircraft) moving :-)
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Seems that airnav are embarrassed at the 'small fee' I personally thought that they would not charge much less than £100 for the google plugin. The lack of response is telling....
Pi** take really
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We can confirm that is price.
There has been a considerable development time placed in this. The new development team has been working on this and creating the models etc.. is not easy either. This is also a full time commitment to update the models and other features.
Its not as simple as a google plugin addin and away you go. One of the rules of this forum is that we will not discuss pricing methods etc.
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It's understood that it has involved a lot of development effort.
It will be interesting to hear how well it sells.
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HI.
I am in two minds, but i will wait until its released and tested, and reports start to come back to the forum, its no good me commenting on something i have not got
all the best with new the software.
from pat
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same here pat i already pay up for acars and network connections need to see results and read feed back from users before i decide weather to go for it or not
paul
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With things the way they are that’s one hell of a small fee.
Airnav say they have spent a long time bringing it to the market. What they should remember, if they over price it (which they have) it’s money wasted if nobody buys it.
I am very worried. I don’t want Airnav to go bust. If they did we would end up with a £500 paper weight.
Going back to reliability problems with the server going down again. Are Airnav owners taking too much out of the company wages wise, so that not enough money is being re-invested in keeping Airnav afloat, improving R&D and customer support.
Let hope we (customers) and Airnav have a long future together
Michael
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With things the way they are that’s one hell of a small fee.
Airnav say they have spent a long time bringing it to the market. What they should remember, if they over price it (which they have) it’s money wasted if nobody buys it.
I am very worried. I don’t want Airnav to go bust. If they did we would end up with a £500 paper weight.
Going back to reliability problems with the server going down again. Are Airnav owners taking too much out of the company wages wise, so that not enough money is being re-invested in keeping Airnav afloat, improving R&D and customer support.
Let hope we (customers) and Airnav have a long future together
Michael
hi micheal.
"You pay your money and you take your chance", it all depends on your pocket, and my pocket is small at the moment.
all the best pat
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"I am very worried. I don’t want Airnav to go bust. If they did we would end up with a £500 paper weight."
Not at all Michael - we'd end up where most of us started with a very good live aircraft tracking system.
That's what I originally bought and everything that has come along subsequently via the forum should be seen as something of a bonus. If you didn't subscribe to the forum, you'd know nothing about the latest developments - I'm sure there are some out there living in ignorance - but you'd still be enjoying your RadarBox.
God forbid Airnav goes out of business but that wouldn't make RB a paperweight.
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Animation = things (in this case aircraft) moving :-)
"going round in the hold" was the bit I didn't understand :)
Maybe this pilot's view flying over Sydney Harbour and approaching Sydney airport will help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUh-jFUds9g
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Animation = things (in this case aircraft) moving :-)
"going round in the hold" was the bit I didn't understand :)
Maybe this pilot's view flying over Sydney Harbour and approaching Sydney airport will help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUh-jFUds9g
Not really - the only aircraft I could see in the video appeared to be hovering ...
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Animation = things (in this case aircraft) moving :-)
"going round in the hold" was the bit I didn't understand :)
Maybe this pilot's view flying over Sydney Harbour and approaching Sydney airport will help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUh-jFUds9g
hi pjm
I can not understand it.
from pat
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Not really - the only aircraft I could see in the video appeared to be hovering ...
Watch it for 5 minutes - you aren't looking for an aircraft, you are IN the aircraft looking through the window and watching the scenery go by as if you are the pilot :)
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Not really - the only aircraft I could see in the video appeared to be hovering ...
Watch it for 5 minutes - you aren't looking for an aircraft, you are IN the aircraft looking through the window and watching the scenery go by as if you are the pilot
Yes, I'd managed to work out for myself that "pilot's view" meant inside looking out :-)
That's not what I want - the expression "going round in the hold" will be readily understood by anyone who lives near a busy terminal area (I'll excuse Pat under the circumstances).
That's what I'd like to see a 3D animation of.
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That's not what I want - the expression "going round in the hold" will be readily understood by anyone who lives near a busy terminal area (I'll excuse Pat under the circumstances).
That's what I'd like to see a 3D animation of.
Dave, I've only just started beta testing, but when/if I see an aircraft in the hold at Inverness I'll see what I can grab.
In the meantime, I grabbed a quick image of an aircraft on departure from Aberdeen.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2488/4101103366_9c11812cfb_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/4101103366/sizes/o/)
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Dave, I've only just started beta testing, but when/if I see an aircraft in the hold at Inverness I'll see what I can grab.
In the meantime, I grabbed a quick image of an aircraft on departure from Aberdeen.
OK, thanks.
Don't rate the new Ryanair colour scheme, by the way :-)
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OK, thanks.
Don't rate the new Ryanair colour scheme, by the way :-)
Yes, I guess it will be a challenge to get all colour schemes setup. Maybe open this up for end-user development?
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Is November 26th still the planned release date?
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Affirm, we still plan to release it on Nov 26th.
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Meanwhile we had a beautiful "ANRB 3D" sunset here for the aircraft landing at Sydney last night :)
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/157/20091113185447.jpg) (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/157/20091113185447.jpg)
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Will it run ok on low spec laptops? ie: P1.6Ghz + 512MbRAM ?
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I think it's very unlikely to run well on low-spec machines - with all the 3D rendering and Google-Earthing going on, plus all the standard RadarBox processing, it's certainly pushing my single-core processor to the max! Though it is improving with fine tuning from the development team.
Rod
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Airnav - can you confirm what the PC requirement specs are to run the 3D ?
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Another example of what the 3D version can do - full screen view, split between 2D and 3D, 22 inch monitor:
(http://www.rbearden.toucansurf.com/3D%20Full%20Split.gif)
Single real screenshot - pretty cool, I reckon!
Rod :-)
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Ah well, looks like I need a new laptop!
I wasn't going to bother, but I have a few programs now that won't run properly on my old machine.
And I must admit, RB3D certainly looks so cool! :)
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Regards low spec machines, As I have one, How about AirNav sending me a beta copy to try :-)
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If this is a "plug-in" as stated on W & S website, I'm assuming that you could continue to run the standard programme on an old machine, but elect to load the "plug-in" onto an up to date unit. The reason I ask is that until last week I had 2 useable computers, an Evesham using XP3 and a Mesh which I loaded Windows 7 into and struggled as it kept shutting the USB ports down. The psu then failed in spectacular fashion and the surge has wrecked most of the internals! I now have a unit equipped with an Intel i-5 Quadcore plus 4GB RAM, and a Radeon graphics card which has 1GB memory on the way!
I would have guessed that although this is a mediocre machine by today's standards, it should run the 3D add-on without too much trouble?
Tarbat will probably know the answer to this one.
Thanks
Peter
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As a general rule if Google Earth works on your computer then RadarBox 3D will.
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As a general rule if Google Earth works on your computer then RadarBox 3D will.
I can run Google Earth ok on my laptop. Even the built in GE flight simulator is useable.
The frame rates are not going to impress a diehard flight sim fanatic, but certainly useable.
I guess that means RB3D will run ok.
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Look at the CPU load from GE when it's running alone, do the same for RadarBox, add up the numbers and that should allow you to see if together the two programs will hit 100% and thus cause things to slow down.
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Thanks for replies. Google Earth will run on the Evesham, albeit a bit slow and lumpy, so seems pretty certain that I would have no trouble on the new unit when it arrives. Definitely food for thought.
Peter
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From the screen shots I've seen so far, I must admit, a new laptop is on the cards.
I think the RB3D combined with live network is a real winner.
A tad pricey, but overall it looks worth every cent if your serious about this hobby.
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I know RB3D uses Google Earth but is there any way of having a google maps terrain view?
Also, with the 3D google earth view, are you able to just drag the view to get a new rendered google earth view, or do you have to do what you currently do for satellite view.. eg. ctrl D to get a new downloaded view.
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Also, with the 3D google earth view, are you able to just drag the view to get a new rendered google earth view
Yes you can drag the view to where-ever you like and the new view is rendered automatically, even in the animated modes, like pilot view.
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Hi All,
To be honest I would be skeptical of going the 3D route at this stage simply because of the load it will place on my PC.
I would rather stick with a 2D version that performs exceptionally well and plots aircraft correctly and efficiently.
However, I would like to see the 2D version have as standard an improved base terrian map that gives you a better feel for the contours/type of earth surface over which the aicraft are flying.
Tnx,
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That's what I'd like to see a 3D animation of.
We don't get many aircraft in the hold at Inverness, but here's a video of a couple of aircraft passing nearby (with update set to 5 seconds).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjsTDTcDD1A
Sorry, but I don't have the busiest skies in the world :(
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We don't get many aircraft in the hold at Inverness, but here's a video of a couple of aircraft passing nearby (with update set to 5 seconds).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjsTDTcDD1A
Sorry, but I don't have the busiest skies in the world :(
Thanks for that. Does the 3D view also work for network traffic ?
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Yes it does :-)
Rod
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Yes it does :-)
Rod
Good. So any volunteers to generate a video of the Bovingdon or Lambourne stacks ?